the book in a spiritual key? Its not that I dont like it because Ew, poetry, but rather because I just dont understand a majority of it. WebTracy K. Smith begins her poem The Good Life with a subordinate clause: Whenpeople talk (Line 1). Jesus also loved the foolish, the pushy, the stubborn, the fickle. I claim pension under the general law, argues one appellant; (i shall hav to send this with out a stamp / for I haint money enough to buy a stamp), another says in closing his letter to the President (all italics and spellings original).In an endnote Smith refers to such texts as erasure poems, a somewhat ironic term. Its about letting the unconscious mind into the process of problem-solving. But even, it seemed to answer some of the questions that come up when we talk about this racial divide. Yes, these are black voices that have been effaced from history, buried in government archives and exhumed by a few scholars on whose work Smith draws. SMITH: Writing Ordinary Light helped me break my own silence about how race has shaped me. They do a lot to remind us that we do have things to say to each other, that were interested in one anothers lives and vulnerabilities. Smith continues that it was Brooklyn and everyone she had known was living. I chose the title Watershed even before the poem itself had been written. Bouncing balls, the kind that lifts nothing. Leaving therapy, she feels a profound longing for the grocery store, which becomes a sort of temple where spiritual and aesthetic desire mix (The glossy pastries! WebThe story Garden of Eden introduces the first man and woman that God created. Once, a bag of black beluga Its current occupant is Tracy K. Smith, who was named Poet Laureate in 2017. Actually, the first poem in Wade in the Water, its called Garden of Eden and it is shockingly about shopping, in a sense. Meanwhile, Watershed brilliantly intermixes language from that Nathaniel Rich article with testimony by survivors of near-death experiences; was the process of choosing and assembling your found texts similar for this poem? Wade in the Water begins with the desolate luxury of the ironically titled Garden of Over her career, she has published a memoir and four books of poetry, including I think it is the shift in vocabulary that reads loudest in the books, and that is really a private attempt at finding something newly engaging in my usual conundrums.WASHINGTON SQUARE: You direct the undergraduate Creative Writing Program at Princeton University; though youre currently taking time off to focus on Laureate duties, youve taught and advised student poets for years. From a handbasket filled Like a lot. But before we get to the analysis, lets briefly summarise the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. On the sixth day of Creation, God created man in the form of Adam, moulding him from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7), breathing the breath of life into Adams nostrils. Curtis Fox: So I wanted to ask you about your time as Poet Laureate, but before we get there, Id like to get straight to a poem. Thats one reason that the poem Eternity, which is set in China and dedicated in part to Yi Lei, felt important to include in the book, because much of my own new work comes directly out of that relationship. Onto the darkening dusk. I guess Ive been thinking a lot about mythology. Or how you can sometimes see the humor in your own dire or embarrassing situation, and how that can be both frustrating and something you file away under Things that Will Be Funny in the Future. We are not the isolated commodity seekers that capitalism and its armed enforcers demand we become, but rather all of us must be / / Buried deep within each other (Eternity). I had the same problem choosing my poet. Curtis Fox: That was An Old Story. Capitalist realism is the language of the boardroom, the pop-up ad, the tax form, the PR statement, the subway banner, the chip-card reader, the medical bill, the Fidelity account. It was Brooklyn. Aside from that, I like your analysis of the poem. If we laugh at it, it has less power over us. Like the couplet that led me to her work, Smiths writing seems often to spring from an empathetic impulse, animated by common human experiences and invested in the insight we can gain by watching and listening to each other. Its a dire poem, tinged with hope, that out of the destruction of our century something new and fresh might reemerge. Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. In my earlier work, persona poems have been a tool by which Ive sought to learn something about some other experience or perspective that is remote from my own. I dreamt that I was in a hotel where there was a mural of that poem, which was by him, painted on a wall, and I was reading it aloud to somebody who was with me. An Old Story is born out of the wish to write a new myth. I suppose those two choices speak to some of the overarching themes I consciously wanted the book to cleave to.WASHINGTON SQUARE: This last comment makes me wonder about your process assembling a book. Email us at [emailprotected], or write a review in Apple Podcasts, and please link to this episode on social media. Capitalism has made a nightmare world, and we can either resist its pressures or chill with our smartphones and wait for climate change to kill us.Along comes Tracy K. Smiths new book, Wade in the Water (Graywolf). Pessimism hobbles anyone who is paying attention. WebSummary Semi-Splendid by Tracy K. Smith explores an argument from two perspectives.Both perspectives come from Smith, yet one is from a nice perspective, in which the poet typically just allows her boyfriend to win the argument, and the other perspective focuses on this moment, in which she stands up for herself and begins to In a quiet way, I am editing from the moment I begin writing, pushing myself to think more rigorously and vigorously and to live up to the model of discipline and courage that I encourage my students to embrace.WASHINGTON SQUARE: Youve written four poetry collections; when you started writing, you were a student, and now youre a teachernot to mention the nations Poet Laureate. Have your process and preoccupations changed? And, for all their sagacity and poisetheir precise images and finely-crafted musicSmiths poems manage to be, too, surprising and audacious. Tracy K. Smith: Well, I thought that this conversation about how incapable we as a nation are of having a conversation across political difference or racial difference, that motivated me to think about how poetry might be a kind of bridge. Attention to the stranger crossing any road in any town or city; patience with the awkward encounter, the unknown intention; respect for the other whom you do not know, but with a slightest stretch of mind, imagine you do. She was named Poet Laureate of the United States in June 2017 and reappointed to the post for a second term last spring. We poor oppressed ones, one writes Lincoln, appeal to you, and ask fair play.Arranged by Smith, these voices, often speaking in nonstandard English, become part of the American literary corpus. Youve talked a bit about Wade in the Waters genesis, but more broadly, how early on do you typically begin to sense a manuscripts overarching themes? In Garden of Eden, the first poem in the collection, Smith remembers shopping at a grocery store in Brooklyn that was actually called the Garden of Eden. The Garden of Eden is a semiautobiographical account based on Hemingways honeymoon with his second wife, Pauline Pfeiffer, in May, 1927, at Le Grau-du-Roi, a fishing village in the Carmargue, on the Mediterranean coast of France. I think this is a poem thats about, okay, Im just past that, and look what I can almost afford. Wade in the Water is, wonderfully, a Poet Laureates booka book that speaks for the poet herself and for us all, at a perilous moment in our history. I dont yet know how to classify Wade in the Water. Yet everyone lived with a sense of innocence and privacy. People are leading lives where they cannot afford rich and luxurious things and are ashamed of that, yet they also hold onto fear; they are afraid to let people see their actual status. More information available at www.susannalang.com. SMITH: I like the way that humor exists in our lives, even in the dark and difficult moments. Elbow sore at the crook Wade in the Water (Graywolf Press, 2018) was her fourth ravaged our She studied at Harvard University, where she joined the Dark Room Collective, a reading series for writers of color, created by Sharan Strange in 1988. taking away our, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our, In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for The story of that poem is that it woke me up one night. Articulating one would require thinking of others as more than free particles in a market or economic obstacles and opportunities. While I labored to find If I read a poem about my father, sometimes if the poem is doing its work, you might begin to think about your relationship with your father, even if it might be different from what my poem says. How does Political Poem complement and converse with the books more overtly, explicitly political poems? Curtis Fox: Yeah, its one of those poems, when you read it you think God, somebody should have done this years ago. But those things came out in this poem. WebMetal claws poised over a valley of rubber. I will say it flat-out: I do not like poetry. the Declaration of Independence erasure). I watch him smile at nobody, at our trafficStopped to accommodate his slow going. She went on to receive her MFA from Columbia University. Because having them suggests a sense of unearned privilege? I also agree. How did the book come together and find its shape? She has taught at Princeton University and Harvard University. Curtis Fox: I want to get you to read one more poem. Life on Mars is pointed into the future as a way of reckoning with all of that, while Wade in the Water takes up history in a similar effort. They are places to test out new lines of inquiry. What do you try to impart as a teacher, and what, if anything, has teaching poetry taught you about writing it? Usually only after therapy Her The final poem, An Old Story, exposes our tendency to destroy our own world by reminding us of the Biblical storm that drowned all life except for Noah, his family, and the pairs of animals he saved on his ark: After the storm, it is song that changes the weather, tempts the animals to come down from the trees where they had shelteredin an ark made of wood but not by us. A sense of regret that I hadnt perhaps actively articulated to myself found a way into the poem. It teases us; it helps us sometimes, so that what is happening now feels like it has already occurred once before; it bridles adults and happily submits to being largely ignored by children. And then our singing. SMITH: I wanted to open the book by invoking a sense of the eternal, to start with a nod to that scale. Under the intense weight of capital, this poisoned realism infects all other forms of discourse, connection, economy. I love chicken. Are they something you mostly notice cropping up in poems youve already written, or do they often enter through conscious choices like the ones you describe with Watershed and Eternity?SMITH: I tend to write and bank poems slowly for long stretches of time, and then, when I have the extended time and space, or when my questions become more urgent, I sit down to a season of intense writing. And if you enjoy that, I highly recommend checking out Unlike a lot of other poets I was looking at, she has a certain flavor that just really fit to my taste. Her translations of poetry by Yves Bonnefoy include Words in Stone and The Origin of Language. Free UK p&p K Smith. The Garden of Eden is a semiautobiographical account based on Hemingways honeymoon with his second wife, Pauline Pfeiffer, in May, 1927, at Le Grau WebThis is Tracy K. Smiths America, a lyric insurrection within Donald J. Trumps. That seems to me not so much about privacy but about consumerism in some way. WebTracy K. Smith was born in Massachusetts and raised in northern California. This would be a democratic project: a writer who takes it on would have to imagine a community where individuals arent just monads bouncing around the economy but are instead subjects whose lives matter regardless of how much or little capital is attached to them. Everyone I knew was living Im listening for possibilities in meaning and emotional tone, and trying to make useful formal decisions, in a way that is more similar than different to what happens when I am writing. I imagined my Civil War poem would be a one-time exploration of its time period, but when I came back a few years later to writing poetry, the concerns I found myself wrestling with were rooted in similar questions of history, race, compassion and justice. Do found texts youve worked with sometimes inform your subsequent writing? One quick way to define capitalism is to observe that it entails the dedication of all things, all human objects and ideas and actions, to profit, to the continual accumulation of wealth in private hands. His arms churn the air. We get collage, erasure, short lyrics, long sectioned pieces; speakers grapple with the Civil War, immigration, faith, environmental damage, motherhood, grocery shopping. I see The United States Welcomes You as another poem fixated upon this topic, though perhaps more obliquely; it seems to be voiced by someone whose aim is not compassionate, though there is space at the end of the poem where what I read as fear or hesitation enters in with the line What if we / Fail? WASHINGTON SQUARE: Was it especially difficult, then, to inhabit the persona in The United States Welcomes You? Everyone hunkers down alone with their stuff, just as capitalism wants it.Two vicious features of the system, which Im hardly the first to note, are its enforcement of rigid hierarchies (think about the racial pay gap, for example) and its wholesale razing of the biospheric life-support systems that allow civilization to exist in the first place. Tracy K. Smith: Sure. Tracy K. Smith: I hear those two things, but in the reverse order. She has also written a memoir,Ordinary Light(2015), which was a finalist for the National Book Award in nonfiction. Her latest book is Wade In The Water. Educated at Harvard and Columbia, teaching at Princeton, named the US Poet Laureate in 2017, and already freighted with laurels (her previous book, Life on Mars, won the 2012 Pulitzer), Smith is no undiscovered talent. Can I get you to read An Old Story? WebTracy K. Smith was born in Falmouth, Massachusetts, on April 16, 1972, and raised in Fairfield, California. But if I do my job correctly, they slip away from that transparency and become something more than Id initially thought I was after. / Pomegranate, persimmon, quince!), even though the ultimate act is to be a good consumer and buy things. According to the cultural theorist Mark Fisher, this mental architecture almost inevitablybarring unusual cultural circumstances or great personal fortitudetakes the form of capitalist realism, which consists in the widespread sense that not only is capitalism the only viable political and economic system, but also that it is now impossible even to imagine a coherent alternative to it (Fishers italics). History is in a hurry, runs New Road Station. Tracy K. Smith served as U.S. poet laureate from 2017-19 and teaches at Princeton University. We'll love you just the way you are if you're perfect. Was there a poem or group of poems it coalesced around?SMITH: Thank you. To say that shes very goodthat her poetry is not screwing aroundis to state what has become increasingly obvious over the past decade. Those banked poems help me get started, but inevitably the work generated during that intense period is characterized by recurring themes, images, vocabulary, and obsessions. Wade in the Water in particular enlists a whole chorus of voices, including historical ones resurrected almost verbatim in collages and erasures. Its also the title of a poem in the books first section, and it reverberates in images of water throughout the collectionin the poems Watershed and The Everlasting Self, for example. The poem, titled Garden of Eden begins with Smith acknowledging a profound longing for her Garden of Eden, or moreover her personal paradise. Mattan Masri- Week 16: Animation is not a Genre, Bella Furst Week 1 | Ranking Chicken and Why Chicken Nuggets are the Best, Bella Furst | Week 20 "The United States Welcomes You" by Tracy K. Smith, Bella Furst Week 4 | "Garden of Eden" by Tracy K. Smith. Redress in the most humble terms: Each ashamed of the same things: She does something trickier and more important: her work conjures up, with vivid particularity, at the level of the individual, what it is like to live under late capitalism. Whatwhat on earthconstitutes a meaningful life in a market society?Markets shape mindsets. Where I seldom shopped, And that stage, I want to think of it as a stage that America has gone through. Selected by Naomi Shihab Nye. I found two books that really had a powerful impact upon me: Voices of Emancipation: Understanding Slavery, the Civil War, and Reconstruction through the U.S. Pension Bureau Files, edited by Elizabeth A. Regosin and Donald R. Shaffer; and Families and Freedom: A Documentary History of African-American Kinship in the Civil War Era, edited by Ira Berlin and Leslie S. Rowland. That distinction gets complicated once you open the booksbut I wonder if you do see these collections as particularly complementing or speaking to each other? For a long time I didnt know what to do with my interest in the Nathaniel Rich article that informs Watershed. Then, after most of the manuscript was finished, I had the idea of marrying the facts from that article, in a found poem, with the narratives of near-death-experience (NDE) survivorspeople whose vocabularies almost across the board invoke the sense of Love as an original animating force, as the logic of the universe. Due to the insinuation that this is an expensive shop, she reminisces of being in her thirties and seeing the The glossy pastries! and the Pomegranate, persimmon, [and] quince! sold there. Maybe what I really want to know is what stands between us and such a possibility. Comprehending, and perhaps steering, its history requires love amid the ruins.Unrest in Baton Rouge underscores this. 1 No. rife with music, rhyme, and repetition. I'd lug Thats the emphasis in each of my workshops, though sometimes we use themes to determine the readings, or we look at a specific type of poemsay long poems or poem cyclesover the course of the term. Curtis Fox: And what about the desolate luxury? Too late. If capitalist institutions erase memory and sweep everything into an eternal present of consumption, poetry is a slow art with a long memory and an expansive capacity to imagine other worlds. WASHINGTON SQUARE: Im also curious, hearing about how you created the found poemsare there any poets whose work has inspired or instructed you specifically in this domain of found/collaged poetry, or poetry that incorporates historical source documents?SMITH: I have taught CD Wrights One Big Self, in both the poetry and photography formats, to my students in the past. Curtis Fox: Tracy K. Smith is the Poet Laureate of the United States. On making the appointment, Dr. Hayden said: It gives me great pleasure to appoint Tracy K. Smith, a poet of searching. But it also became a poem about reckoning with what it means to be alive in the 21st century. Both are longing for some kind of extra-human counterpoint to the real, the earthbound, the flawed, the finite. Tracy K. Smiths unforgettable poem from Wade in the Water feels so potent right now. Curtis Fox: Now you hinted at it, but its an erasure poem. Declaration uses erasure to repurpose Thomas Jeffersons litany of complaints against King George, evoking the slaves forced migration to this country and their experience here of unspeakable oppression. That sometimes comes out in revision, as was the case with Ash. The poem was little more than a list of ideas until I was able to sit down and hear a set of rhythmic parameters begin to assert force. From short lyrics to erasures to sectioned, multi-form elegies, all of Smiths work feels radically alivetraversing space and time; rife with cultural and historical references (to, for example, rock music; scientific research; classic movie scenes); and always illuminating with great care the complexities of consciousness and embodiment. Would you read it for us? Her last collection was Tracing the Lines(Brick Road Poetry Press, 2013). I like the way that project emphasizes that the various speakers and photo subjects have chosen to not only share parts of their own stories, but also decided how theyd like to be photographed. What made you choose to start (and end?) And in this awful year, thats something worth giving thanks for. I think the topic has also just come up much more frequently and relentlessly in the years since Trayvon Martins murder.WASHINGTON SQUARE: Another subject you grapple with in Ordinary Light is belief in God. Its actually the last poem in your book. What made you decide to use collage rather than writing something inspired by the archives? In Black life, humor helps make the unbearable bearable. Born in Massachusetts and raised in northern California, Smith now lives in New Jersey, where she directs and teaches in Princeton University's Creative Writing Program. Are there particular questions you think of as driving Wade in the Water?SMITH: For me, poems, no matter how they behave, are questions. WebMy maker says this poem reminds him of the little groceries and bodegas of his onetime New York neighborhood. Capitalism is the enemy and the stakes are high, because one of the only defenses against the degradations of our market-driven culture is to cleave to language that fosters humility, awareness of complexity, commitment to the lives of others and a resistance to the overly easy and the patently false.Embedded in all this is a specific conception of history. Im really happy I stumbled upon Tracy K. 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