Im an Irish barman and I am stunned by the ignorant waffle that some Irish Americans spew about the oul sod. Me, Ill opt mostly for the great spirits of the independent Cooley Distillery, located just north of Dublin. [1], Historically, Powers Gold Label was the best-selling whiskey in Ireland. Jamesons for sure. Cant wait to find out. Is Jameson Protestant whiskey? Yes, plenty of Irish whiskey is ordered as shots or in Pickle Backs, but it also works in a number of cocktails, including, of course, McGarry's The Dead Rabbit Irish Coffee. [7], In 1871, the distillery was expanded and rebuilt in the Victorian style, becoming one of the most impressive sights in Dublin. As the rain pummels the ground here in the Pacific Northwest, a little window of blue sky nestled between two dark clouds in the neighboring distance makes me wish I were watching the rain fall from across a dark ocean, my little Caribbean fishing, Update! Powers Gold Label is the best-selling Irish whiskey in its native Ireland. I lived through this and lost people to it, and it saddens me to read this. Irish whiskey comes in two forms, Catholic and Protestant. In some ways Im like woof, Thank you, @craftspiritsus for inviting me to give, CALLING ALL NACHOS AND WINGS LOVERS (okay and foot, Menu and blog update! Fast forward 60 years. [6] In 1855, his son Sir James Power, laid the foundation stone for the O'Connell Monument,[3] and in 1859 became High Sheriff of Dublin. The overwhelming majority of people in Ireland just want to get on with their lives, as they have always done and forget about this petty conflict. Michael Collins is a newcomer to the market place. and my green on July 12th. Redbreast makes for good sipping but for my budget Powers is my standby. The main differences between Tullamore Dew vs Jameson are: Tullamore Dew is produced in different distilleries, whereas Jameson is produced in a single distillery. Mostly only Catholics or the nonreligious drink here. Im trying one at a time to see what I prefer. Lived in Ireland my whole life and as an avid whiskey drinker, both scotch and Irish, Ive never encountered that conversation. And I obviously know alot about it being from Ireland and the horrific scenes of the troubles. Whereas Bushmills is seen (by some) as British because it is located in Northern Ireland (which is part of the UK)and there is a political bias against it from some quarters. Hi, I actually know the reason behind the controversy. As a bartender years ago in Chicago I was told When stocking your liquor on the back of the bar. I said, so youre Protestant? nant Protestant-oriented movement. Dear sir, I know you did a bit onSangrita, but I was wondering if you have a good recipe for Sangria. Argument ended.. Jameson is the Catholic whiskey, Bushmills is the Protestant one, despite the efforts of the Bushmills PR department to spin it otherwise. Colum Egan (Master Distiller of Bushmills) is himself a Catholic. The whiskey was originally produced in Tullamore, County Offaly, Ireland, at the . Ill take one next time Im out. Though Bushmills is the #2 Irish whiskey in the U.S., Tullamore Dew is #2 Irish whiskey (after Jameson) worldwide, so not too surprising that you would see it most places. Wonderful thread. He said, no, Im Catholic, but I was born and raised in the town of Bushmills! I still live there. Bushmills, in turn, supplies the Midleton Distillery with single malt, which they use to make Tullamore DEW. I can solve this argument. [1] Irish Distillers owned the brand until its sale to Sazerac in 2016. Whisky is Scotch, followed by Canada. Ive enjoyed most Irish whiskey Ive sampled, including Powers, Tully, and Bushmills. Funny, I also sought some info from a Bushmills rep when this controversy came up around St. Pattys day! Although some Protestants continued to make and sell alcohol, and many more consumed it, the pressure was . post number 66). Car bombs, kidnappings, murders, protests, etc. The Protestant/Catholic thing was explained to me as a labor dispute where a bunch of Catholic Derrymen were laid off from the Bushmills distillery or some shite. Slainte. As for those Tyrconnell expressions: major thumbs up. Nose After all, thats what the Jacobites were all about. Never once was I presented with a this is the north, or this is Ireland like many seem to believe in the States. in response to Irish whiskey is it catholic or protestant is irrelevant it is who is drinking it. Distilling of locally grown agricultural to produce alcohol is something that is not peculiar to Ireland. Thanks again for this essay and the add-on comments. Go figure . @Matt: sorry to hear about religious intolerance in West Virginia but this is a discussion about the distilling history of Irish whiskey, not moonshine. Sorry, but I have always loved them both. Good luck and god bless Hun. Just setting the record straight. You wouldnt really understand the depth of the situation. And since I inherited her mothers sideboard, now repurposed as the bar in my den, I shall drink Bushmills tonight. As of late, its been my favorite it has rich barley notes that leave my palate craving more. It is about the spirit in the bottle, not in a church. Bad Catholic that I am, I always drank Bushmills over Jameson. Im also a bit confused on the cheap part. The three also exchange used casks, when need be, if they have extra. I was a bartender in NY in the early 90s and in 98 moved to Kinsale Cork and bartended their for 4 yrs. Not sure if it is available outside of Ireland, but if you can, get a hold of a bottle. As Jameson only uses the bourbon barrels once, the color and flavor is more reminiscent of American bourbon. Redbreast IS great for sipping (especially for the price) and Powers Gold is fine too. Sweeter, rich with barley, and perfect with one ice cube. Hes either the only Irishman who believes this or some in this thread are misinformed. Comment Is Misty protestant? Mind you the order as I see it goes Knappogue 51 > Midleton Rare > Knappogue 15 > Redbreast > Black Bush > Knappogue 92 > Tullamore Dew (makes for the best Irish Coffee) > Then take your pick of the Jamesons/Bushmills/Cooley offerings. Tullamore Dew is aged in ex-bourbon and ex-sherry cask type, whereas Jameson is aged in oak barrels. wear my orange on St. Patricks Oh and Bushmills was NOT licensed to distill in 1608Thats marketing Bullshit. In addition to Powers Gold label, a 12-year-old premium blend, and several single pot still whiskeys have been released under the Powers banner in recent years: In the 2012 edition of the Whisky Bible, whiskey writer Jim Murray named Power's John's Lane Release Irish Whiskey of the Year and described it as "certainly one of the top five world whiskies of the year". I will second the Powers recommendation to add some turf to the fire. Catholic and Slovak-American, my personal preference is Jamesons. It was the anti-Catholic hiring practices that Bushmills employed in Northern Ireland that fueled the snub. When Tug McGraw was interviewed after winning the world series in 1980, they asked him what he was going to spend his series winnings on. Like seriously you hate us so much you wont drink our whiskey??? It's been going on for thousands of years across the globe. Whiskey hasnt got a religion. I serve it in Texas to my St. Patricks day guests and several times a year otherwise. Thanks all for your comments. Finish The Roman Catholic church developed its dogma based on the issues brought forth by the . Right. Jeffrey, isnt there an expiration date to such things? It is the oldest licensed distillery by 200 years and was once owned by a Belfast barman who get this was a teetotaller and secretly wrote religous tracts damning the Demon Drink! 1996 in coal harbour Vancouver BC. Still enjoy the Black Bush and the Bushmills 16yr. And we should all be thankful for this. There is a rivalry, to be sure, but it is all about business, and not about religion. Not what I would call a cheap whisley, albeit there are many out there that can cost a fair penny more. , Do note that the greatest tv show of all time, The Wire, always showed the Baltimore cops ordering Jameson in the bars, and the hero, McNulty, becomes indignant when only Bushmills is available at a partys open bar ( I guess most of the cops were Irish Catholic ), so traditions prevailed. Yep, he was referring to a certain product from Bushmills.. @Darby )Gill: What a load of nonsense! In 1998 Bushmills was part of IDL, which owned all the whiskies coming out of Ireland with the excpetion of the few from Cooley. Bushmills is distilled in County Antrim, Northern Ireland. If you want to support Ireland, go and visit and maybe read a few history books and hopefully realise that most normal people dont give a toss about religious leanings. Jameson has distilled fine Irish malt which has been then sold to Bushmills to use as a blend all of the way through the most controversial of times of Irish English relations to current. Asked the guide about it. All in all meaning, were I to have gone to Ireland to visit, my relatives would probably have been more confused than was I. I would wager that half the comments are from people that have never been to Irelandif I drink vodka does this make me a communist -no! We were up near Bushmills this past summer during our Ireland vacation (on our way from Belfast to The Causeway) and our Tipperary-based guide recommended not stopping there due to the companys historic treatment of Catholics. There is whiskey, and a whiskey drinker is a whiskey drinker no matter how they take it. Trust me on this. However, this is just a rumor, but I did hear it from a pretty reliable source in the industry back in Ireland. In April I went to Jerusalem. I even stayed in what was one of the hotbed cities during the troubles. Jameson is always a great go-to, easy and smooth. When I lived in Providence, there was a lot of Powers drinking going on. All Irish whiskey is great. Fathers side Ulster.ancestors to America ca 1719. Im not sure if this is truth or myth but I cannot drink Bushmills due to there even being a chance of truth in that because of the awful stories I heard about those F&[emailprotected]$&$ convicts (the black and tans) the Brits let loose on the people of Ireland. Maybe they will bottle the Cork supply in Tullamore in the interim. But "this couldn't be any further from the truth," says McGarry. I went to the Distillery in Tullamore(now a museum for the whiskey), it is now produced in Middleton, although it is no longer owned by Pernod-Ricard. It was one of the longest and most destructive conflicts in European history, resulting in millions of casualties. Thank you for the real-world experience! Despised it. A great whiskey. I was aware of the obvious problem with the claim that Bushmills is 'protestant whisky' but this gives a great insight. Theres a scene in season 3 of The Wire that went right over my head: McNulty asks the bartender for a Jameson, and the bartender asks is Bushmills ok? McNulty comes back with aw, thats Protestant whiskey! Grudgingly, he accepts, but asks for it neat. Next Post Xante Pear Liqueur (Not A Sex Toy). It makes things interesting. Bushmills released a statement saying:Its just one of the outrageous statements put about in an attempt to blacken our name. [8] In addition, three of the distillery's pot stills were saved and now located in the college's Red Square.[8]. A Mac computer geek thats too young to retire and too old for male prostitution. Happy St Pattys Day. Then I spent another 20 minutes clicking around at random on your site, and then I ended up at this article, neatly explaining the first part of the joke. Another Figoli Quinn Website (Digital Ocean) | Oh, by the way, John Jameson was a protestant Scottish planter in Ireland, so shouldnt you be boycotting his whiskey also? [11], In 1961, a Coffey still was installed in John's Lane Distillery, allowing the production of vodka and gin, in addition to the testing of grain whiskey for use in blended whiskey. stupid fucks In response, Guzzi This bill . As regards the Catholic v Protestant whiskey debate. Love a pleanty Oh, and as your average American that enjoys the brown, I contend that my enjoyment of scotch does not come at the expense of the Irish, Kentuckians, Tennesseeans or even Canadians! Porn S, Eugene, Oregon friends! I love Redbreast and always have a bottle about, but based on some comments here Ill definitely be picking up a bottle of Powers Gold Label. Not what religion you think a whiskey holds. You will love this stuff. -as he grabbed the Red Breast off the shelf. Required fields are marked *. And let us not forget the new cask finishes of The Tyrconnell. Three persons in one God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The answer is that it depends on the distillery. If you read J.F. Though Jameson is currently distilled in lovely Cork, it was actually founded and first distilled in Dublin. Interesting and often amusing reading of so many perspectives. The plantation of Ulster started in 1609, and BTW that very same King (James I) planted the Jamestown settlement in Virginia two year previous in 1607. Bushmills, on the other hand, was officially licensed in 1608 by King James I (of Bible fame) and despite of its location deep in the heart of Protestant country (and this next bit is straight from my local Bushmills rep, so take it or leave it) has a Catholic as a master distiller. So any Americans who believe this, should change to Murphys at once. If they do in fact have a Catholic Master Distiller, he is probably just the token worker. I think its alot worse than some backward hick town in yankeeville. Ill have to try a Manhattan next. The widely-accepted Irish-American version is that Jameson is Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is Protestant whiskey. Usually King James Version. Mmmm..Middleton distillery. No matter where it is produced. Cured beef appeared in many cultures and has no clear beginning. Heres the real question why does everyone insist on handing us shots of jameson late night in colorado? Powers is for shooting, some of the swill mentioned here is OK for mixing and when I want a little variety, I go for a double Connemara 12 never get tired of the peated smoothness and wonderful finish. Sectarianism in Glasgow takes the form of long-standing religious and political sectarian rivalry between Catholics and Protestants.It is particularly reinforced by the fierce rivalry between Celtic F.C. No one here has a soft spot in their heart for Paddys? Corvallisbarman is half right. These are the books and tools I use every single day to make drinks at home and behind the bar. Yes it is a bit heavier than most Irish whiskey, but I appreciate the depth and nuanced flavors. Palate The full like of Bushmills (and a couple of other Irish whiskeys) will be available for sampling at Whiskies of the World on March 27th. Literal Meaning. Utter nonsense. Really liked Knockando but I havent seen it around in some time. Though in the end, I do really prefer Bushmills. However, some of the buildings have been incorporated into the National College of Art and Design, and are now protected structures. A bunch of bigoted b######s arguing over the religion of whiskey. She didnt give a toss about anyones religion, let alone the whiskeys. Great smooth flavor and a soft long finish. 12 years of Catholic school in Queens, NY which is probably why Ive been a Buddhist for the last 35+. I think Paddys may be even rarer in the US than Powers. The Thirty Years' War was a series of wars in Central Europe between 1618 and 1648. The company has been running since 1780 and has developed and perfected the art of producing the premium quality, top shelf, and smoothest Irish whiskey in the world today. I answered, Episcopalian because we think of ourselves as both and neither. As for my preference, I tend to like the lighter Bushmills as its the first Irish whiskey I discovered years ago, and Ive certainly enjoyed my share of Jameson from time to time. This is an interesting thread and I have a few more now to try. DONT EVER ask an Irish person , north or south if they are catholic or protestant because they will look at you with contempt. Potatoes for supper Bushmills is very proud of its long Irish heritage and yes its head distiller is catholic but if someone wants to boycott this whiskey, not for taste, but simply because it is situated in an area populated mainly by Protestants then they are the one with the problem. Granted, I dont mix my whiskey with Coke or Ginger Ale, so perhaps Im missing the best presentation of Powers Gold Label. Funny how these things work out, innit? But none of it means much, anyway: both distilleries are owned by huge international entities: Jameson by French liquor conglomerate Pernod-Ricard, and Bushmills by the English firm Diageo. I can guarantee no one here in Dublin or Ireland gives a crap either way. As for the religious differences, its always been easier for those not in the mess (in the US, England) to say and perpetuate things over that of those who have to suffer the views and manipulations of outsiders. Robber jumps out of an alley, holds up a gun, and says, Are you a Protestant or a Catholic? Man says, Neither, Im a jew. Robber thinks for a moment, says, but are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?, are you a Protestant or a Catholic? As the graph below shows, close to half the Irish American population is Protestant, while just one-third of Irish Americans are Catholic. This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License. Jamesons one-time MD (CEO in the USA) was Andrew Jameson. I grew up in NYC with this popular myth engrained on my conciousness. Went on the Bushmills tour in November 2015. Jameson was a Dublin Whidkey but it was Protestant. He was, I believe, top dog in the Orange Order: the vehemently anti-Catholic organization whose best-known figure is the frightening demagogue the Rev. I dont generally buy it, but Ill drink it without complaint. I hear that William Grant & Sons has a contract with LDI to have Tullamore Dew produced in Cork until 2025, so they will have to either be creative to release anything from the new distillery or have some mighty fine aged whiskey come the latter half of the next decade. I dont know about Ireland, but in some parts of the U.S there still major problems. I came to mention Powers- it seems my work is done. So have a pint, pull, prayer, and lets party. However, the only brand of Irish I ever saw in the Balkans was Tullamore Dew. However, ownership remained in the family until 1966, and several descendants of his sisters remained at work with the company until recent times. Roman Catholic influence on the whiskey world doesn't end with Henry VIII, however. The truth of the matter is, the age-old faux-pas of ordering Bushmills for fear of supporting English aggression and offending the Republic of Ireland is about as Irish as corned beef which is to say, not very Irish at all but rather Irish-American (Sorry, kids, corned beef is a Jewish invention). Bushmills on one end, Jamesons on the other. I was wondering this myself. I generally have several bottles of Irish on hand. @Eamonn: always good to hear from a Dubliner. As an irish american raised in an irish roman catholic family I can say this: As an American, am I being disloyal to Scotland when I drink Jamesons? Help! What a great treat. Maybe not the best role model, but whaddaya gonna do? You claim that it is an Irish-American phenomenon, however up in the six counties Catholics drink Jameson and Prod-Brits drink Bushmills there is even a bit of violence attached to it. West Virginia is the only U.S state where you can legally handle venomous serpents to prove your faith. Personal life experience. Cocktail Kingdom Stainless Steel Julep Strainer, Kuhn Rikon 4-Inch Nonstick Colori Paring Knife, UPDATE: So much has been discovered since this post originally went up, about the dangers of quinine in people with quinine sensitivity. I am also a fan of Tullemore and Black Bush. This is one of the myths encountered all the time, since Bushmills is located in predominantly Protestant Northern Ireland and Jameson is produced in the heavily Catholic Republic of Ireland. I became a Whiskey drinker a few years back now, and started with Jameson. Some of the comments here are totally rediculous. I was told by one Irishman the RedBreast would change my life and another one told me that The Irishman Founders Reserve would do the same. [2], In 1791 James Power, an innkeeper from Dublin, established a small distillery at his public house at 109 Thomas St., Dublin. Bottom line Bushmills 16 yr has won my top pick in Irish whiskey over the 21 yr and Middletons, Redbreast and all the others. Ferdinand II was a devout Roman Catholic and relatively intolerant when compared to his predecessor, Rudolf II. And it was always welcomed as a special Balkan business bestowal, to grease whatever wheels needed turning. Funny thing is, Jeffrey, that at the end of your debunking of the myth, you subtly reassert its validity in rightly noting that Bushmills is owned by Diageo, a company based in a largely Protestant country, while Jameson is owned by Pernod-Ricard, which is based in a predominantly Catholic country. Such days are long over, and Dew is rapidly making up the difference in sales, and has already overtaken Jamison in may countries in Europe. I think Irish whiskey is like Scotch, meant for sipping, not mixing. Stick to the booze recommendations, the mixed drink recipes, and the things you have first-hand experience with. The date 1608 listed all over the Bushmills bottle is not only the date The King of England allowed distilling to take place in Northern Ireland it is also the date the plantation of Ulster began. Simple business transaction where both sides benefit. Whoever owns Paddys also owns one of these bigger brands and wont export to the US because they know they would cannibalize their own market share. Delicious, soothing, contemplative. The Protestant Reformation began in Wittenberg, Germany, on October 31, 1517 . Hi and i take my hat off to Rob Mchardy answer 34..more people should be like you and the world would be a nicer place,anyway there is only one kind of whisky,the answer is in the spelling. He was anti-Republican and his family was instrumental in organising the Orange Order in Dublin! ** The waitress stared at me, and said in her thick brogue, This is an IRISH pub. I looked at her and said, okay, Ill have a Harp. Here in Montana, that conversation wouldnt have made any sense. Im married to a Protestant and my best friend and fellow whiskey hound is a also one. I come from an island which has been called the most Irish place outside of Ireland and weve had our papist-loyalist troubles in the past, where they will remain. There are some amazing ones, FYI, I will leave it at that. Redbreast is my favorite but I only buy a bottle or so a year. My post was simple stating that the problem still exists. And not to get too specific, but given the choice, Irish Canandian Dry in the clear glass bottle (opposed to the green bottle or Finches). [3] At the time the distillery had three pot stills, though only one, a 500-gallon still is thought to have been in use. Yep, this goes back to when Bushmills was still part of IDL (Irish Distillers Limited) and owned by Pernod. Religion and booze dont go well together so its a subject that perhaps should be avoided. As someone who drinks her whiskey with ginger ale and a slice of lime, I definitely vote Powers over any other. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. Check it out: http://whiskiesoftheworld.com. Now I need to locate Redbreast! 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